Dual sitizenship

[*lillemille*]

Jeg har selv det som kalles Dual Sitizenship (to statsborgerskap), men det jeg lurer på er om mitt barn da automatisk kan få begge??

 

Logisk sett så burde det jo være slik.. Jeg er jo like mye amerikansk som jeg er norsk, så da burde vel MITT barn også kunne få amerikansk statsborgerskap??

 

Noen med peiling her??

 

Jeg bor i norge.. Btw..

[partyoffive]

Hei 'lillemille' - Hvis du har amerikansk statsborgerskap kan barna dine også få det. Det er skulle ikke være noe problem. Gå til den Am. ambassaden og vis ditt am. pass og du kan søke på det (du kan sikkert hente disse skjemaene på nettet også).

 

Men jeg tror at når de fyller enten 18 eller 21 (ikke sikker) må de velge am. eller norskt statsborgerskap. Dette er fordi Norge ikke tillater dual citizenship så vidt jeg vet. Hadde det vært f.eks USA og UK eller Tyskland kunne de beholdt begge siden disse landene tillater dual citizenship.

 

Mine barn er født i USA så de har automatisk am. statsborgerskap. De har også norske pass fordi jeg er norsk, men jeg tror de må droppe det am. når de fyller 18/21 hvis de vil beholde sine norske.

 

Hvis de er du som skal sponse barnas am. citizenship tror jeg det også er avgjørende om du faktisk er født i USA eller om du selv er en 'naturalized citizen'. Er ikke sikker på akkurat hvordan det veier inn. Er du født i USA er det hvertfall bare og søke am. citizenship for barna dine. Da tror jeg de er garantert og få det hvis de er under 18/21.

 

Lykke til!

[*lillemille*]

 

Jeg er født i Portugal, så da vet jeg ikke hvordan det er.. Pappa (han er am) var i nato, så vi flyttet rundt hele tiden!!!

 

Og det med at man skal si opp statsborgerskapet vet jeg det har vært mye snakk om. Vet at man måtte velge bort det ene før, men det sluttet de med det året søsteren min fylte atten!! Og både hun og jeg har begge nå.. Vi er 24 og 28...

 

Uff, jeg får vel ringe ambassaden når den tid kommer..

[partyoffive]

hei igjen 'lillemille' - da har du jo fått am. citizenship automatisk gjennom faren din. Da skulle det vel gå..!?

Godt og høre at man ikke lenger må velge. Vil gjerne at jentene mine skal kunne ha muligheten til og beholde både sitt norske og amerikanske statsborgerskap.

 

Du får kontakte ambassaden - lykke til!

[Gjest]

Det er litt ulike reglar for om barn kan behalde to statsborgerskap når dei fyller 18, men dersom foreldra har ulike statsborgerskap kan ungane få behalde begge (men eg trur ein må søke om det). Les på den andre tråden om dual citizenship - der står det MASSE informasjon!!

[Gjest]

Den tråden som heiter "nationality of baby when not married" eller noko slikt, har dytta den opp for deg!

[*lillemille*]

Tusen takk!!

[DelabeB]

Hello....

My norsk writing is not very strong yet, so I must write in English.

I have actually just read all the information on this because I was getting my son his American citizenship, so I am very familiar with the current rules.

If one parent is Norwegian, and the other Parent is American, the child has a right to dual citizenship. BUT, the rules for this being inherited are now much stricter than they used to be. For example, my son will always have his citizenship because I lived in the US most of my life. But his children will NOT have the right to American citizenship unless my son lives in the US for more than 5-7 years (not certain--this keeps changing), and I think half of those years must be before the age of 14 or 16 (again, not certain of this). Either way...they are making restrictions now based on a verifiable proof that you have a long term connection with the US. If my son never lives in the US when he is still a child, his children will lose the right to dual citizenship....even though my son will always have his citizenship because I grew up in the US. It is complicated I know. They changed the rules because so many people were simply inheriting the citizenship from their US born parents.

I have one Norwegian friend who was born in the US, but moved with his parents back here and never lived in the US. Because he did not have this childhood connection, at 18 he had to choose citizenships--and so lost the American one.

 

It is valuable to have both.

 

I hope that helps. It is good to go to the US Embassy website to get more information...but this was the situation last year when we received his passport!

 

[17.januarbaby]

det er nok best med internett siden til us embassy - jeg ble bare sendt hjem igjen da jeg prøvde å gå dit for å spørre. men det tar ganske lang tid etter at babyen er født til den får pass, så man har god tid til å lese og finne ut av det. eller man kan kanskje ringe dit?

[partyoffive]

Wow - I started w/thinking that I had some info. that could help the girl w/the question about dual citizenship, now I am confused myself....ha-ha!

 

I am left wondering what my situation will dictate. I am norwegian w/a permanent greencard. My husband is Irish, but a naturalized citizen here in the US. My 2 kids are at the moment american citizens bc they are born here, but I am also in the process of applying for a norwegian pers.nr./passport for them so they can have both. We are moving to Norway.

 

I would love for my kids to keep both citizenships permanently. Can they??? According to 'lillemille' they can as the rules have changed, but according to DelabeB I am not so sure anymore....?hmmmm

 

I was also told that my husband no could sponsor me if I wanted to apply for citizenship..? I have had my permanent greencard for 5+years. But now there seems to be all these new changing rules about the #of years one ahs to live in the US etc....very confusing.

[*lillemille*]

 

Thank you so much for trying to help me!!

I dont really know if i understand it now, but again, thanks so much for trying..

 

 

[*lillemille*]

 

Here is some more information that might help:

 

 

Who can have dual nationality?

Pursuant to Norwegian law a person cannot in principle be a national of two countries. A Norwegian national who has been granted citizenship in another country after he/she has applied for it, has given notification to be a citizen of another country or has explicitly agreed to be a national of another country automatically forfeits his/her Norwegian citizenship. This also applies in the case where a child becomes a citizen of another country as a result of the parents'/guardians' s application, notification or agreement. If you apply for Norwegian citizenship, you can be required to renounce your previous citizenship if you do not automatically forfeit it.

 

In certain cases, however, the law permits an applicant to be a citizen of more than one country. This applies in the following cases, among others:

If you are born with dual nationality because you have Norwegian and foreign citizenship through your parents (for example a Norwegian mother and a foreign father)

If you are born to Norwegian parents in a country that applies the territorial principle (anyone born in a country becomes a citizen of that country) In that case, you can have both Norwegian citizenship and citizenship of the country of your birth.

If you have applied for Norwegian citizenship and it is not possible for you to renounce your original citizenship

 

[DelabeB]

Hi Florida Mor (btw, I am from Florida originally )

 

Here is the weblink with the current specific information http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

 

I looked into it once again and currently, the requirements are that a child that is born in the US to maintains their dual citizenship if they maintain five years physical presence in the US (total), and two of those years after the age of fourteen is required. If not, and the kids are just born and raised in the US, and the parents return to their country of origin, then the children must choose their nationality at age 18, losing one or the other. Which means that if they have kids one day, those kids will not have the right to a US citizenship either. The embassy explained that this was begun because SO many people were inheriting their citizenship without a substantial tie to the country.

 

 

On the Norwegian side, I am less sure. I know that my son has the right to Norwegian citizenship through birth, and because his father is Norwegian. The deal was the my husband handled all the Norwegian stuff, and I handled the American stuff ....

 

I hope that helps! It is really complex and changing all the time....but as for right now, my son is a dual citizen, and we will be moving to and from the US over the years, so hopefully, he will be able to maintain it.

 

 

[partyoffive]

Thank you 'DelabeB' - that cleared it up a bit. I guess my kids will both eventually loose their citizenships then, unless we move back so they can live 2 more years in the US after they turn 14....they are now 2 and 3 1/2. We move to Norway this summer and they will then be only 2 1/2 and 4. I like the idea of moving back to the US for a couple of years sometime in the future. We will see if I can get my husband omboard on that one. It would be great if they could keep both citizenships. You must have jobs that allows you to 'move back and forth a bit'. That is great. Wish we could do that. Maybe not back to FL (too far travel to fam. in Ireland + Norway) but somewhere on the NE coast maybe..?

 

Where in FL are you from? Have you been in contact w/'USAMAMMA? I have been in contact w/her through 'English Forum' here on BIM. Look at 'noen som bor i USA her?'. She is also from FL, has a Norwegian husband, 2 kids, and lives in Skien. Have not been in touch w/her for a while, but she is a great girl.

 

Thank you again for the info.