litt legesyn på vaksiner

[Anonym bruker]

http://www.matoghelse.no/helse/2006/11/01/virkninger-og-bivirkninger-av-vaksiner.aspx

Liker denne karen og er så heldig og fått forelesninger av han. Meget jordnær mann.

[ostepop123]

Denne artikkelen har det vært lenket til flere ganger her inne. Stig Bruset finner det altså "påfallende vanskelig" å finne informasjon om bivirkninger av vaksiner i Norge. Vel, det er altså slik at slike bivirkninger i aller høyeste grad er offentlig tilgjengelige informasjon, nemlig på legemiddelverkets hjemmesider: http://legemiddelverket.no/templates/InterPage____16153.aspx?filterBy=CopyToMedecs

 

Ikke hverken vanskelig eller påfallende der altså.

 

 

[Helseinterressert]

Takk for en meget interessant link.

 

Legg spesielt merke til at det i USA registreres 11,4 komplikasjoner per 100 000 dose mens det i Norge registreres bare 1/100 000.

 

Dette er tankevekkende når man i USA regner med at bare 10% av bivirkningene blir registrert.

 

Og dette indikerer igjen at kanskje bare 1% av bivirkningene her hjemme har blitt registrert.

 

Troverdig?

[blix]

Nei, det er ikke troverdig at USA har så mange bivirkninger . Der kan hvem som helst innrapportere både komlikasjoner og dødsfall etter vakinering, uten å opplyse om navn eller annen kontaktinfo.

I Norge går ikke det. Her må man gi informasjon om hvem man er.

¨Nå kan man selv rapportere direkte på nett, så nå er det blitt enklere enn tidligere.

[Helseinterressert]

blix,

 

Kan du dokumentere at "Der kan hvem som helst innrapportere både komlikasjoner og dødsfall etter vakinering, uten å opplyse om navn eller annen kontaktinfo"?

[ostepop123]

Jepp:

 

http://legemiddelverket.no/templates/InterPage____82265.aspx

 

Det er anonymt.

[Helseinterressert]

Vi snakker om USA ostepop...

[blix]

http://vaers.hhs.gov/about/index

 

VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up.

 

Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality.

 

Reporting of coincidental events-Some of the reports in VAERS are coincidental to vaccination, meaning they would have occurred even if vaccination had not and they are not caused by vaccination.

 

Data quality-Since reports are accepted from anyone, the data reported is not always complete or accurate.

 

VAERS Does Not Determine Causality

 

Although VAERS can rarely provide definitive evidence of causal associations between vaccines and particular risks, its unique role as a national spontaneous reporting system enables the early detection of signals that can then be more rigorously investigated.

 

VAERS receives reports of many events that occur after immunization. Some of these events may occur coincidentally following vaccination, while others may truly be caused by vaccination.

 

Studies help determine if there is more than a temporal (time) association between immunization and adverse events.

 

The fact that an adverse event occurred following immunization is not conclusive evidence that the event was caused by a vaccine.

 

Factors such as medical history, diagnostic tests, and other medication given near the time of vaccination must be examined to help to determine the cause of adverse events.

 

DISCLAIMER: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised. However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process.

 

What Can Be Reported to VAERS?

VAERS seeks reports of any clinically significant medical event that occurs after vaccination,

 

even if the reporter cannot be certain that the event was caused by the vaccine.

 

CDC/ISO and FDA review adverse reports; VAERS has identified important signals that after further research resulted in changes to vaccine recommendations. VAERS encourages the reporting of any clinically significant adverse event that occurs after the administration of any vaccine licensed in the United States.

 

You should report adverse events even if you are unsure whether a vaccine caused the event.

 

Noe mer??

 

 

 

[blix]

Helseinterressert, les her

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine.

 

The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

 

A report to VAERS generally does not provide sufficient basis for concluding that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine receipt.

 

No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report.

 

VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

[Helseinterressert]

blix,

 

Det er ikke noe nytt av vaksinepusherne frikjenner seg selv ved å si at "det er ikke dermed bevist noen sammenheng".

 

Hvor står det at enkeltmennesker selv kan gå inn å rapportere her?

[ostepop123]

Så hvordan ville du uttrykket det, Helseinterressert, dersom du var sjefen for VAERS?

 

At alle meldinger som kommer inn til VAERS er garantert vaksinebivirkninger?

 

Eller la meg snu det på hodet.

 

Dersom du var sjefen for Kontor for Innrapporterting av Alternativmedisinske Bivirkninger, hva ville du sagt? At alle innmeldte hendelser garantert skyldtes alternativ medisin?

 

Spørsmålet ditt var vel forøvrig om det var mulig å gjøre dette anonymt, og det har du vel fått svar på.